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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am far from Selenium expert but from my research: Experts advise to avoid mixing explicit and implicit waits (use explicit only).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jim Evans:
<a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15164742/combining-implicit-wait-and-explicit-wait-together-results-in-unexpected-wait-ti">
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15164742/combining-implicit-wait-and-explicit-wait-together-results-in-unexpected-wait-ti</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="https://blog.mozilla.org/webqa/2012/07/12/how-to-webdriverwait/">https://blog.mozilla.org/webqa/2012/07/12/how-to-webdriverwait/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I solved it by writing a custom wrapper which uses explicit waits only. Stability of our tests improved, I hope partially by avoiding implicit waits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">HTH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Masiar<span style="letter-spacing:.1pt"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#231F20">/ Sr Software Developer<span style="letter-spacing:-.4pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> testing-in-python-bounces@lists.idyll.org [mailto:testing-in-python-bounces@lists.idyll.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Harry Percival<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> testing-in-python@lists.idyll.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TIP] What do people use as a wrapper around Selenium?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I occasionally run into trouble with Selenium's behaviour, specifically due to implicit waits and automatic waits for page load. In discussions with the selenium + mozilla devs, they often say that they think
this kind of "magic wait" ability is better left to "library authors", ie people building wrapper libraries, with selenium as a lower-level tool.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, any experiences out there from people using Python wrappers around selenium? Bonus points for Selenium 3 compatibility!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>--<br>
Harry Percival<br>
+44 78877 02511<o:p></o:p></p>
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