[TIP] TiP BoF 2017 / Portland

[Harry Percival]

Glad to hear plans are in progress!  I'd certainly rather a TiP BoF with a
few rules than no BoF at all, and I'm sure it's possible to still have fun.

With that said, I'd like to hear more about the "commentators" idea. I'm
probably jumping to conclusions here, but my fear is that it could come
across as a bit cliquey and elitist.  Is everyone else supposed to just sit
silently?  I'm sure there's a way of modelling "good" heckling that would
let newcomers pick up on the vibe of what's ok and what's not ok without
having to designate who is and is not allowed to speak.  perhaps we could
have a couple of practice heckles from commentators only before opening up
the free-for-all?

perhaps simply explaining out loud, at the beginning, what went wrong last
time would be enough to keep people on track?  eg "remember, even if you
know someone very well and you know they won't mind you calling them out
for having a hamster as a father and a mother who smelt of elderberries,
other people in the room may not realise that you know each other, and they
might now think it's ok to insult strangers' parental species /
adoxaceal-BO. so, keep your heckles CoC-compliant, and let's concentrate on
the kinds of heckles that bring us together as a community (eg "ruby
sucks!" (which we all know isn't true but it's something we say for group
bonding purposes)).

HP









On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 at 14:00 Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com> wrote:

> Excerpts from C. Titus Brown's message of 2017-04-12 05:46:49 -0700:
> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 06:45:44AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> > > On 12/04/2017 00:27, holger krekel wrote:
> > >> Hey Terry,
> > >>
> > >> nice to hear from you but whats going on with this emphasis on
> policing?
> > >> Last time i attended - 4 years ago or so - it was quite some fun and
> quite
> > >> informal ... did anything go badly wrong in subsequent TiP BOFs?
> > >
> > > Yeah, sounds like it'll be riotous fun.
> > >
> > > Maybe they'll be bringing some United staff to help out?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > yes - there were two incidents, one of drug use and one of verbal
> harassment of
> > a speaker, at the 2013 BoF.  (They may have been by the same person, not
> sure.)
>
> They were.
>
> >
> > https://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycons-response-to-inapropriate.html
> >
> > This is why we can't have nice things.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Terry can correct me, but IIRC:
> >
> > The 2013 BoF was much less fun because of overt incidents like the above,
> > along with what seemed to be a generally higher background level of
> > jerks (larger audience, more drinking, less friendly, basically).
> >
> > After talking amongst ourselves, the organizers of the BoF decided that
> we
> > were ill-equipped to deal with this kind of stuff as the BoF was
> currently
> > run, and so we punted on it for a few years.  Glad to see Terry and
> others
> > bringing it back!
> >
> > And, ya know what? If it doesn't sound like fun, don't come!  Plenty of
> other
> > stuff going on in Portland.
> >
> > best,
> > --titus
>
> This sounds like it would be a reasonable step to take to try to bring
> the BoF back. I wish I was going to be in Portland this year to help
> with it.
>
> Doug
>
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