I just did the <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">"The Locomotion"</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/22 Michael Chean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael_chean@msn.com">michael_chean@msn.com</a>></span><br>
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Generally, I strip that disclaimer out for messages like this. I deal with a lot of lawyers, and I've taken the lead from disclaimers on their emails. I also haven't<div>heard of it actually being enforced.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Mike<br><div><br><div>> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:51:37 -0700<br>> From: <a href="mailto:contact@charles-esterbrook.com" target="_blank">contact@charles-esterbrook.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org" target="_blank">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] Email Disclaimers (was: Re: Python job opportunity)<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>> <br>> No problem. Thoughts on the subject were what I was looking for, and I<br>> appreciate them.<br>
> <br>> -Charles<br>> <br>> <br>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Inci Ozkaragoz <<a href="mailto:iozkaragoz@gmail.com" target="_blank">iozkaragoz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > Disclaimer: By the way, Charles, these are just guesses on my part from<br>
> > having worked at various companies that used the disclaimers and who had a<br>> > corporate counsel at hand. So can't say for sure.<br>> ><br>> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Inci Ozkaragoz <<a href="mailto:iozkaragoz@gmail.com" target="_blank">iozkaragoz@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> Funny, Charles. I think though that the disclaimer has to implicitly<br>> >> reference some IP laws that exist so that it would hold up in court. Your<br>> >> disclaimer is not based on any legal rights.<br>
> >><br>> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Charles Esterbrook<br>> >> <<a href="mailto:contact@charles-esterbrook.com" target="_blank">contact@charles-esterbrook.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>
> >>> You say "It is a legal contract of sorts that you agree to..." but I<br>> >>> don't think that agreement is even possible:<br>> >>><br>> >>> (a) Reading something does not form a contractual agreement.<br>
> >>><br>> >>> (b) The disclaimers come at the end which makes no sense. You wouldn't<br>> >>> have a conversation with someone and then set terms for that<br>> >>> conversation after you had it. By the time I have read the last<br>
> >>> content paragraph of one of these emails, I still haven't read the<br>> >>> statements about "the information contained in this email".<br>> >>><br>> >>> -Charles<br>
> >>><br>> >>> DISCLAIMER: By reading the above email, you have agreed to pay me 10%<br>> >>> of all future revenues derived from employment, contracts, business<br>> >>> ownership, inheritances and gambling on a quarterly basis.<br>
> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Inci Ozkaragoz <<a href="mailto:iozkaragoz@gmail.com" target="_blank">iozkaragoz@gmail.com</a>><br>> >>> wrote:<br>
> >>> > I think one of the main benefits of the disclaimer is that it allows a<br>> >>> > company with the disclaimer the legal right to sue any suspect<br>> >>> > person/organization that allegedly infringes on its IP that was<br>
> >>> > transmitted<br>> >>> > via email. It is a legal contract of sorts that you agree to with the<br>> >>> > act of<br>> >>> > reading the email. It also acts as a legal warning to those so tempted<br>
> >>> > to<br>> >>> > misuse the information contained therein. Similar to the copy<br>> >>> > infringement<br>> >>> > warnings stated at the start of purchased movie videos. It does not<br>
> >>> > prevent<br>> >>> > all thieves from copying, but it does give the law the right to<br>> >>> > prosecute<br>> >>> > after warning people of the law.<br>> >>> ><br>
> >>> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Dan Stromberg <<a href="mailto:strombrg@gmail.com" target="_blank">strombrg@gmail.com</a>><br>> >>> > wrote:<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Charles Esterbrook<br>
> >>> >> <<a href="mailto:contact@charles-esterbrook.com" target="_blank">contact@charles-esterbrook.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Michael Chean<br>
> >>> >>> <<a href="mailto:michael_chean@msn.com" target="_blank">michael_chean@msn.com</a>><br>> >>> >>> wrote:<br>> >>> >>> ><br>> >>> >>> > DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail is intended<br>
> >>> >>> > only<br>> >>> >>> > for<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> Have people using these types of disclaimers enjoyed any benefits?<br>
> >>> >><br>> >>> >> I've never heard of a tangible benefit, but that doesn't mean it<br>> >>> >> doesn't<br>> >>> >> exist. I've also seen some pretty serious companies that didn't<br>
> >>> >> require<br>> >>> >> them.<br>> >>> >> It reminds me of a playful series of radio commercials on a Cincinnati<br>> >>> >> radio station called WEBN:<br>
> >>> >><br>> >>> >> Brute Force Cybernetics: The company that creates a need, and then<br>> >>> >> fills<br>> >>> >> it.<br>> >>> >><br>
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