Hi Everyone,<div><br></div><div>I just found the &#39;socal piggies&#39; a few weeks ago, and will try to make it out on Thursday. &nbsp;I&#39;m pretty new to python, but the more I use it the more its growing in me. &nbsp;I hope to meet some of you guys this week.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Alex<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:16 AM,  &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies-request@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies-request@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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 &nbsp; 1. Re: Great meeting last night (Grig Gheorghiu)<br>
 &nbsp; 2. Re: Great meeting last night (<a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a>)<br>
 &nbsp; 3. Re: Great meeting last night (Grig Gheorghiu)<br>
 &nbsp; 4. May 1st meeting (Howard B. Golden)<br>
 &nbsp; 5. Re: May 1st meeting (Chuck Esterbrook)<br>
 &nbsp; 6. Re: May 1st meeting (Paul Hildebrandt)<br>
 &nbsp; 7. Re: May 1st meeting (Chuck Esterbrook)<br>
 &nbsp; 8. Re: May 1st meeting (Paul Hildebrandt)<br>
 &nbsp; 9. Re: May 1st meeting (James Shamenski)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:11:07 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Grig Gheorghiu &lt;<a href="mailto:grig@gheorghiu.net">grig@gheorghiu.net</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] Great meeting last night<br>
To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
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Andre -- any updates on this? We need to make a decision soon on where<br>
we&#39;ll have the meeting on Thursday.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Grig<br>
<br>
--- Andre Stechert &lt;<a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; That was supposed to say &#39;May 1st.&#39;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 4/22/08, Andre Stechert &lt;<a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; I talked to Ben. &nbsp;He&#39;s working out travel plans right now and<br>
&gt; there&#39;s<br>
&gt; &gt; a good chance he can make it down for a May 14t meeting. &nbsp;Will send<br>
&gt; an<br>
&gt; &gt; update tomorrow when we know for sure.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt; Andre<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On 4/22/08, Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;m interested in Pylons too.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Also, has anyone presented on Python/Objective-C on the Mac? Not<br>
&gt; that<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I could, but I&#39;m interested in that topic as well.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:10 AM, James Shamenski<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:2010games@gmail.com">2010games@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; can we get that pylons talk to happen? Im a keener for that<br>
&gt; one.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -James<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Steven Wagner<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:stevenwagner@gmail.com">stevenwagner@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Righto, the next SoCal Piggies meeting will be May 1st at 7pm<br>
&gt; at<br>
&gt; &gt; Gorilla<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Nation.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pablo has offered to talk about his experience with Google<br>
&gt; App Engine.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; It would be nice if we could get at least one more presenter.<br>
&gt; Please<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; share your ideas for presentations.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Steve<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:15:04 +0000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] Great meeting last night<br>
To: <a href="mailto:grig@gheorghiu.net">grig@gheorghiu.net</a>, &quot;SoCal Python Interest Group&quot;<br>
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Cc: Ben Bangert &lt;<a href="mailto:ben@groovie.org">ben@groovie.org</a>&gt;<br>
Message-ID:<br>
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Oops - yes, he booked his flight last week and will go wherever the meeting is being held thursday night. &nbsp;Gorilla nation last I checked, right?<br>
<br>
Andre<br>
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&amp;T<br>
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From: Grig Gheorghiu &lt;<a href="mailto:grig@gheorghiu.net">grig@gheorghiu.net</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:11:07<br>
To:SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] Great meeting last night<br>
<br>
<br>
Andre -- any updates on this? We need to make a decision soon on where<br>
we&#39;ll have the meeting on Thursday.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Grig<br>
<br>
--- Andre Stechert &lt;<a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; That was supposed to say &#39;May 1st.&#39;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 4/22/08, Andre Stechert &lt;<a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; I talked to Ben. &nbsp;He&#39;s working out travel plans right now and<br>
&gt; there&#39;s<br>
&gt; &gt; a good chance he can make it down for a May 14t meeting. &nbsp;Will send<br>
&gt; an<br>
&gt; &gt; update tomorrow when we know for sure.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt; Andre<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On 4/22/08, Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;m interested in Pylons too.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Also, has anyone presented on Python/Objective-C on the Mac? Not<br>
&gt; that<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I could, but I&#39;m interested in that topic as well.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:10 AM, James Shamenski<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:2010games@gmail.com">2010games@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; can we get that pylons talk to happen? Im a keener for that<br>
&gt; one.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -James<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Steven Wagner<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:stevenwagner@gmail.com">stevenwagner@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Righto, the next SoCal Piggies meeting will be May 1st at 7pm<br>
&gt; at<br>
&gt; &gt; Gorilla<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Nation.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pablo has offered to talk about his experience with Google<br>
&gt; App Engine.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; It would be nice if we could get at least one more presenter.<br>
&gt; Please<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; share your ideas for presentations.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Steve<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
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&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:30:31 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Grig Gheorghiu &lt;<a href="mailto:grig@gheorghiu.net">grig@gheorghiu.net</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] Great meeting last night<br>
To: <a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a>, SoCal Python Interest Group<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Ben Bangert &lt;<a href="mailto:ben@groovie.org">ben@groovie.org</a>&gt;<br>
Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:479423.40012.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com">479423.40012.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
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OK, then it&#39;s settled. We meet at Gorilla Nation this Thursday May 1st<br>
at 7 PM. We have 2 presentations slated:<br>
<br>
Pablo Noego: &quot;Google App Engine chat application demo&quot;<br>
Ben Bangert: Pylons talk<br>
<br>
Here&#39;s the map to the Gorilla Nation offices in Culver City:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Gorilla+Nation&amp;sll=33.733477,-117.328491&amp;sspn=3.001089,5.559082&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=34.002866,-118.345413&amp;spn=0.093497,0.173721&amp;z=13&amp;iwloc=A&amp;om=0" target="_blank">http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Gorilla+Nation&amp;sll=33.733477,-117.328491&amp;sspn=3.001089,5.559082&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=34.002866,-118.345413&amp;spn=0.093497,0.173721&amp;z=13&amp;iwloc=A&amp;om=0</a><br>

<br>
If we can have a show of hands for the people who are planning on being<br>
at the meeting, that&#39;d be great.<br>
<br>
Grig<br>
<br>
--- <a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Oops - yes, he booked his flight last week and will go wherever the<br>
&gt; meeting is being held thursday night. &nbsp;Gorilla nation last I checked,<br>
&gt; right?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Andre<br>
&gt; Sent via BlackBerry by AT&amp;T<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Grig Gheorghiu &lt;<a href="mailto:grig@gheorghiu.net">grig@gheorghiu.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:11:07<br>
&gt; To:SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] Great meeting last night<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Andre -- any updates on this? We need to make a decision soon on<br>
&gt; where<br>
&gt; we&#39;ll have the meeting on Thursday.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Grig<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --- Andre Stechert &lt;<a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; That was supposed to say &#39;May 1st.&#39;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On 4/22/08, Andre Stechert &lt;<a href="mailto:stechert@gmail.com">stechert@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I talked to Ben. &nbsp;He&#39;s working out travel plans right now and<br>
&gt; &gt; there&#39;s<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; a good chance he can make it down for a May 14t meeting. &nbsp;Will<br>
&gt; send<br>
&gt; &gt; an<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; update tomorrow when we know for sure.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Andre<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On 4/22/08, Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;m interested in Pylons too.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Also, has anyone presented on Python/Objective-C on the Mac?<br>
&gt; Not<br>
&gt; &gt; that<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I could, but I&#39;m interested in that topic as well.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:10 AM, James Shamenski<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:2010games@gmail.com">2010games@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; can we get that pylons talk to happen? Im a keener for that<br>
&gt; &gt; one.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -James<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Steven Wagner<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:stevenwagner@gmail.com">stevenwagner@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Righto, the next SoCal Piggies meeting will be May 1st at<br>
&gt; 7pm<br>
&gt; &gt; at<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Gorilla<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Nation.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pablo has offered to talk about his experience with Google<br>
&gt; &gt; App Engine.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; It would be nice if we could get at least one more<br>
&gt; presenter.<br>
&gt; &gt; Please<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; share your ideas for presentations.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Steve<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt;<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:10:14 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: &quot;Howard B. Golden&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:howard_b_golden@yahoo.com">howard_b_golden@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:883251.56520.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com">883251.56520.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
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I&#39;ll be there.<br>
<br>
Howard<br>
<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:17:24 -0700<br>
From: &quot;Chuck Esterbrook&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
To: &quot;SoCal Python Interest Group&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
Message-ID:<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:94cdd26f0804281717m57e56eefj5b97e75f14da478c@mail.gmail.com">94cdd26f0804281717m57e56eefj5b97e75f14da478c@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Howard B. Golden<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:howard_b_golden@yahoo.com">howard_b_golden@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;ll be there.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Howard<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;_______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
Me too.<br>
<br>
-Chuck<br>
--<br>
<a href="http://cobra-language.com/" target="_blank">http://cobra-language.com/</a><br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:15:33 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Paul Hildebrandt &lt;<a href="mailto:paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com">paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:974186.70671.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com">974186.70671.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
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Me too. &nbsp; And if there is any time after the presentations I wouldn&#39;t mind discussing mock object frameworks with the group. I&#39;ve been looking at them and I want to get feedback from others.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----<br>
From: Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:17:24 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
<br>
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Howard B. Golden<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:howard_b_golden@yahoo.com">howard_b_golden@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;ll be there.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Howard<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;_______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
Me too.<br>
<br>
-Chuck<br>
--<br>
<a href="http://cobra-language.com/" target="_blank">http://cobra-language.com/</a><br>
<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:24:51 -0700<br>
From: &quot;Chuck Esterbrook&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
To: &quot;SoCal Python Interest Group&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
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 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:94cdd26f0804281924v5c9d711dl7921142870fdd7dd@mail.gmail.com">94cdd26f0804281924v5c9d711dl7921142870fdd7dd@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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That will get you ready for your presentation on mock object<br>
frameworks at the next meeting. &nbsp;:-)<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Paul Hildebrandt<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com">paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Me too. &nbsp; And if there is any time after the presentations I wouldn&#39;t mind discussing mock object frameworks with the group. I&#39;ve been looking at them and I want to get feedback from others.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Paul<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;----- Original Message ----<br>
&gt; &nbsp;From: Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:17:24 PM<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Howard B. Golden<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:howard_b_golden@yahoo.com">howard_b_golden@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; I&#39;ll be there.<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;Howard<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;_______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Me too.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;-Chuck<br>
&gt; &nbsp;--<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://cobra-language.com/" target="_blank">http://cobra-language.com/</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;_______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;_______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt;<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:08:43 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Paul Hildebrandt &lt;<a href="mailto:paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com">paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
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That sounds like a good idea to me. :)<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----<br>
From: Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:24:51 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
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That will get you ready for your presentation on mock object<br>
frameworks at the next meeting. &nbsp;:-)<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Paul Hildebrandt<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com">paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Me too. &nbsp; And if there is any time after the presentations I wouldn&#39;t mind discussing mock object frameworks with the group. I&#39;ve been looking at them and I want to get feedback from others.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Paul<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;----- Original Message ----<br>
&gt; &nbsp;From: Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:17:24 PM<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Howard B. Golden<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:howard_b_golden@yahoo.com">howard_b_golden@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; I&#39;ll be there.<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;Howard<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;_______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;socal-piggies mailing list<br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;<a href="http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies" target="_blank">http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/socal-piggies</a><br>
&gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Me too.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;-Chuck<br>
&gt; &nbsp;--<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:16:20 -0700<br>
From: &quot;James Shamenski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:2010games@gmail.com">2010games@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
To: &quot;SoCal Python Interest Group&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
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 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:b1a2b8f50804291016l76f0ded9o684103bc107dfec6@mail.gmail.com">b1a2b8f50804291016l76f0ded9o684103bc107dfec6@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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confirmed.<br>
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Paul Hildebrandt &lt;<br>
<a href="mailto:paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com">paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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&gt; That sounds like a good idea to me. :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ----- Original Message ----<br>
&gt; From: Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:24:51 PM<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; That will get you ready for your presentation on mock object<br>
&gt; frameworks at the next meeting. &nbsp;:-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Paul Hildebrandt<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com">paul_hildebrandt@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Me too. &nbsp; And if there is any time after the presentations I wouldn&#39;t<br>
&gt; mind discussing mock object frameworks with the group. I&#39;ve been looking at<br>
&gt; them and I want to get feedback from others.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;Paul<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;----- Original Message ----<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;From: Chuck Esterbrook &lt;<a href="mailto:chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com">chuck.esterbrook@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;To: SoCal Python Interest Group &lt;<a href="mailto:socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org">socal-piggies@lists.idyll.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:17:24 PM<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;Subject: Re: [socal-piggies] May 1st meeting<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Howard B. Golden<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:howard_b_golden@yahoo.com">howard_b_golden@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;&gt; I&#39;ll be there.<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp;Howard<br>
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&gt; &gt; &nbsp;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;Me too.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp;-Chuck<br>
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