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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Thanks for the good
discussion. Integrating components is definitely OK. I think the main
thing to think about isn't necessarily the tools they want to learn, but
why they want to learn them. What is your audience trying to learn
these skills to be able to do?<br>
<br>
With the focus on hierarchical data and spatial data, this sounds
something like a 'Geosciences Data Carpentry' and maybe what they mainly
want to do is to be able to work with this data and do statistical
analysis and data visualization. We usually start with data organization
in spreadsheets, because that's where ecologists have their data. Could
you instead start with an HDF5 dataset, pose some questions you want to
ask of the data and shape the workshop around answering those question?
So your first lesson could be the HDF5 one - what the data type is,
how to load it in to R and work with it there. Then you could go on to R
for potentially more advanced analysis, loops, optimization and
visualization, since they're already familiar with programming, and
finish with shell for automation. If they do have messy spreadsheet
data, we have found that OpenRefine for data cleaning is a big winner
(thanks Christie who introduced us to that!). And that lesson can
actually just be a half hour demo. There even showing what's possible
with OpenRefine is the important thing. <br>
<br>
In Data Carpentry our goal is to use one dataset, or a set of raw data
and its associated metadata, from start to finish for a workshop. This
shows the data work flow as a research scientist would typically use it
and motivates the lesson with a set of questions we want to ask using
that data, that match the type of questions the learners in that domain
will have. It's sort of a narrative structure to the workshop. Then the
new skills are being learned in the framework of existing knowledge and
hopefully the learners can also more easily go back and apply them to
their own data. <br>
<br>
Also, you're not going to be able to meet everyone's needs, so once you
do decide, just being clear about what you're planning to teach, and at
what level, will help with expectations for the workshop. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
-Tracy<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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you Ted, Christie and Greg et al!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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advice is extremely useful. I just rechecked the spreadsheet. I am up
to 27 responses – most of whome are intermediate level coders although
some might
be learning a new language (R to python, etc) so I will do a followup
survey. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve
got 12 for python and 15 for R. I might get a few more next week.
Looks like a custom approach will be warranted. I’ll dig into this a
bit more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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you are all open, I’d love to run ideas by the list serve or by this
group.
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Christie Bahlai; 'Ted Hart'; Leah Wasser; 'Tracy Teal';
'Hsi-Kai (Kai) Yang'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dc-discuss@lists.idyll.org">dc-discuss@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [data-carpentry-discuss] Organizing Data Carpentry
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<br>
<br>
Hybridization engenders robustness - sure, do what's best for the
audience and tell us afterward how it went.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2015-01-29 12:15 PM, Christie Bahlai wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
Hybridization engenders robustness - sure, do what's best for the
audience and tell us afterward how it went.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Greg<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-01-29 12:15 PM, Christie Bahlai
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class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D">Hi Leah, Ted, et al;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D">If it’s heresy, oops, I’m a heretic ;). I
recently instructed at a SC <span class="SpellE">bootcamp</span> at U
of M, and we had learners divided into two rooms- novice and
intermediate. Looking at the pre-workshop surveys, I decided that the
novice room needed a bit more of an introductory go at object
manipulation than the standard SC materials provided, so I used the DC
materials for the first half of the R lesson. My co-instructors also
worked in some of the DC data management curriculum in with the shell
lesson.<br><br>Is this slight hybridization kosher? All I know is the
students are apparently asking for a DC <span class="SpellE">bootcamp</span>
as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D">-Christie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman""> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dc-discuss-bounces@lists.idyll.org">dc-discuss-bounces@lists.idyll.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dc-discuss-bounces@lists.idyll.org">mailto:dc-discuss-bounces@lists.idyll.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Hart<br><b>Sent:</b>
Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Leah Wasser; Tracy
Teal; Hsi-Kai (Kai) Yang<br><b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dc-discuss@lists.idyll.org">dc-discuss@lists.idyll.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [data-carpentry-discuss] Organizing Data Carpentry workshop -
advice<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal">Hi Leah,<br><br>Glad to see that NEON supporting you
putting on the workshop. Having read your e-mails it sounds like what
you want is partially in the domain of Software Carpentry. I think SWC
would give them many things they might need, but not know they need.
For instance you heard that people are interested in loops, automating
and optimization. Well, those are all pretty hard to do without a
decent understanding of variables and data structures, and even
optimization (profiling to start) needs functions. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To
expand a bit, how can you do loops and automation in any language
without understanding different basic data structures..e.g. looping over
a list is different than looping over a vector which is different than
looping over a dataframe in R. So I wonder if you could just sort of
slip those concepts in while focusing on the parts people want to learn
and they'll learn more without even knowing it :). <span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Git is also probably essential because I know
more and more NEON work is being put on github. In the end workshop
might end up looking like a hybrid of an advanced data carpentry
(dealing with complex formats, SQL) and some basic software carpentry.
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p
class="MsoNormal">I don't know if this is heresy, but it might be best
to pull from both curriculums to meet the specific needs of NEON. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ted<o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu Jan
29 2015 at 8:03:18 AM Leah Wasser <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lwasser@neoninc.org">lwasser@neoninc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">HI
Ethan, Tracy and Kai,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you ALL so much for the feedback so far. I truly appreciate it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
gave folks here until next week to fill out the survey. As of now, I’m
at 18 responses – most of which are open / interested in a full 2 day
workshop. 6-Python, 12 – R. Most are interested in SQL as well. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Pulling
Git makes sense and most would benefit from a short section on shell. I
think most really want to focus on R or python. I also am open to doing
two workshops or splitting materials if that makes sense to cover
everyone’s interests. For instance, I thought about just doing an
afternoon focused on manipulating HDF5 data in R. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
this case, our audience are not novice users. They self identify as
Beginner / intermediate – ie they’re programming now – many regularly.
Many don’t have formal training and want to hone skills. Does that by
default make DC – not quite the right fit here? Thoughts?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Topically
they are interested in </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hierarchical
data formats (I’ve built materials for that)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Spatial
data (I have a bit on that as well</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Automating
processes, looping, optimization</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">4.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
sure data viz as well (I didn’t include that in the list</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Very
few were interested in the core programming skills (ie creating
functions, variables, etc). I think because they are already
implementing those skills. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you again for any feedback / advice, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Leah
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
0in"><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-outline-level:1"
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Tracy Teal [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
href="mailto:tkteal@datacarpentry.org">tkteal@datacarpentry.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hsi-Kai (Kai) Yang<br><b>Cc:</b>
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advice</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p
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class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal">Hi
Leah,<br><br>That's great there's good interest! I agree with Ethan
both that the lessons for Python and R are redundant and that it would
be tough to teach both languages in two days. Maybe the question is
more, what are people looking to do? Are they doing statistical analysis
and data visualization with ecological data? If so, then R might be
better. If they want to write scripts for data parsing or work with a
lot of colleagues who are working in Python, that might be better. <br><br>As
Kai says, the current Data Carpentry workshop components are focused on
data organization/management and the data
analysis/presentation/visualization.<br><br>The current modules are:<br><br>-
spreadsheets for data organization<br>- OpenRefine for data cleaning
(30 minute demo)<br>- SQL for managing and querying data<br>-
introduction to R or Python for data analysis and visualization<br>- the
shell for automation<br><br>If you wanted to be able to spend more time
on R or Python, which we're finding people are interested in,
especially being able to get through more of the data visualization, you
could leave out the shell or SQL and use that extra time for R or
Python. <br><br>The mix of experience is always a challenge. Data
Carpentry lessons right now have been developed for people with little
to no prior computational experience, so no prior experience is expected
or required. This means things can be a little slower for people who do
have some experience, but has the advantage that we're clear about the
level up front and it doesn't leave as many people behind. People with
more experience still learn new tips and tricks for the things they've
seen already and can help their neighbors, and often even if someone is
experience with one tool, they might be new to another - so maybe they
know SQL well, but haven't worked in R before. <br><br>This focus on
learners newer to computation, does mean, as Ethan mentioned that we're
also not currently teaching git. As a concept, it's more advanced than
what most people new to programming are ready for. We have talked about
adding to the R lesson a component about working with github from
within RStudio, as that takes away some of the complexity, but haven't
had a chance to develop that or try it out yet. <br><br>Does this
approach and modules seem like it matches with what the people there
need? <br><br>Best,<br>-Tracy<o:p></o:p></p><div
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#9FA2A5">January 28, 2015 at 5:25
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Leah:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">You might want to focus on
either (1) data preparation/munging/management, or (2) data
analysis/presentation. Data exploration probably is in between the two
areas. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">It could be too aggressive
trying to cover all aspects of data science in two days. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Also you might want to
assume the attendees can master at least one programming language. I
believe learning how to program belongs to software carpentry. Data
carpentry is all about data science.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">My 2 cent.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">-kai</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p
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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">HI Tracey, and fellow DC
participants.<br>I am looking for some advice. There has been ongoing
interest in a Data Carpentry workshop at NEON (where i work for those of
you who don't know me). :) <br><br>The challenge that I see at this
point, is figuring out what content would be most relevant. I posted a
survey today and already have a handful of responses - all interested in
a 2 day workshop. <br><br>However there is a mix of interest in Python
vs R. And some mix of background (mostly intermediate focused however). <br><br>I
am giving everyone a week to respond to the survey. Then I need to
figure out an approach. Depending upon the volume of responses, i am
even thinking about something that is split across days (R one day,
python another). Git and shell combined? OR SQL ? Can anyone help guide
me through the logistics of deciding the best approach for this workshop
once the survey results are in?<br><br>Thank you in advance!!<br>leah<br><br>Leah
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody">Hi Leah,<br><br>Glad to see
that NEON supporting you putting on the workshop. Having read your
e-mails it sounds like what you want is partially in the domain of
Software Carpentry. I think SWC would give them many things they might
need, but not know they need. For instance you heard that people are
interested in loops, automating and optimization. Well, those are all
pretty hard to do without a decent understanding of variables and data
structures, and even optimization (profiling to start) needs functions. <div><br></div><div>To
expand a bit, how can you do loops and automation in any language
without understanding different basic data structures..e.g. looping over
a list is different than looping over a vector which is different than
looping over a dataframe in R. So I wonder if you could just sort of
slip those concepts in while focusing on the parts people want to learn
and they'll learn more without even knowing it :). <span
style="font-size:13.1999998092651px;line-height:1.5">Git is also
probably essential because I know more and more NEON work is being put
on github. In the end workshop might end up looking like a hybrid of an
advanced data carpentry (dealing with complex formats, SQL) and some
basic software carpentry. </span></div><div><br></div><div>I don't
know if this is heresy, but it might be best to pull from both
curriculums to meet the specific needs of NEON. </div><div><br></div><div>Ted<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br>
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Ethan, Tracy and Kai,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you ALL so much for the feedback so far. I truly appreciate it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
gave folks here until next week to fill out the survey. As of now, I’m
at 18 responses – most of which are open / interested in a full 2 day
workshop. 6-Python,
12 – R. Most are interested in SQL as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Git makes sense and most would benefit from a short section on shell. I
think most really want to focus on R or python. I also am open to doing
two
workshops or splitting materials if that makes sense to cover
everyone’s interests. For instance, I thought about just doing an
afternoon focused on manipulating HDF5 data in R.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
this case, our audience are not novice users. They self identify as
Beginner / intermediate – ie they’re programming now – many regularly.
Many don’t have
formal training and want to hone skills. Does that by default make DC –
not quite the right fit here? Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Topically
they are interested in
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"
class="MsoListParagraph"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hierarchical
data formats (I’ve built materials for that)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"
class="MsoListParagraph"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Spatial
data (I have a bit on that as well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"
class="MsoListParagraph"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Automating
processes, looping, optimization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"
class="MsoListParagraph"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
sure data viz as well (I didn’t include that in the list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Very
few were interested in the core programming skills (ie creating
functions, variables, etc). I think because they are already
implementing those skills.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you again for any feedback / advice, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Leah
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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Tracy Teal [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:tkteal@datacarpentry.org">mailto:tkteal@datacarpentry.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hsi-Kai (Kai) Yang<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Leah Wasser; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dc-discuss@lists.idyll.org">dc-discuss@lists.idyll.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [data-carpentry-discuss] Organizing Data Carpentry
workshop - advice<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Leah,<br>
<br>
That's great there's good interest! I agree with Ethan both that the
lessons for Python and R are redundant and that it would be tough to
teach both languages in two days. Maybe the question is more, what are
people looking to do? Are they doing statistical
analysis and data visualization with ecological data? If so, then R
might be better. If they want to write scripts for data parsing or work
with a lot of colleagues who are working in Python, that might be
better.
<br>
<br>
As Kai says, the current Data Carpentry workshop components are focused
on data organization/management and the data
analysis/presentation/visualization.<br>
<br>
The current modules are:<br>
<br>
- spreadsheets for data organization<br>
- OpenRefine for data cleaning (30 minute demo)<br>
- SQL for managing and querying data<br>
- introduction to R or Python for data analysis and visualization<br>
- the shell for automation<br>
<br>
If you wanted to be able to spend more time on R or Python, which we're
finding people are interested in, especially being able to get through
more of the data visualization, you could leave out the shell or SQL and
use that extra time for R or Python.
<br>
<br>
The mix of experience is always a challenge. Data Carpentry lessons
right now have been developed for people with little to no prior
computational experience, so no prior experience is expected or
required. This means things can be a little slower for people
who do have some experience, but has the advantage that we're clear
about the level up front and it doesn't leave as many people behind.
People with more experience still learn new tips and tricks for the
things they've seen already and can help their neighbors,
and often even if someone is experience with one tool, they might be
new to another - so maybe they know SQL well, but haven't worked in R
before.
<br>
<br>
This focus on learners newer to computation, does mean, as Ethan
mentioned that we're also not currently teaching git. As a concept, it's
more advanced than what most people new to programming are ready for.
We have talked about adding to the R lesson a component
about working with github from within RStudio, as that takes away some
of the complexity, but haven't had a chance to develop that or try it
out yet.
<br>
<br>
Does this approach and modules seem like it matches with what the people
there need?
<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
-Tracy<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Leah:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">You might want to focus
on either (1) data preparation/munging/management, or (2) data
analysis/presentation. Data exploration probably is in between the two
areas. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">It could be too
aggressive trying to cover all aspects of data science in two days. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Also you might want to
assume the attendees can master at least one programming language. I
believe learning how to program belongs to software carpentry. Data
carpentry is all about data science.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">My 2 cent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">-kai<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">HI Tracey, and fellow
DC participants.<br>
I am looking for some advice. There has been ongoing interest in a Data
Carpentry workshop at NEON (where i work for those of you who don't know
me). :)
<br>
<br>
The challenge that I see at this point, is figuring out what content
would be most relevant. I posted a survey today and already have a
handful of responses - all interested in a 2 day workshop.
<br>
<br>
However there is a mix of interest in Python vs R. And some mix of
background (mostly intermediate focused however).
<br>
<br>
I am giving everyone a week to respond to the survey. Then I need to
figure out an approach. Depending upon the volume of responses, i am
even thinking about something that is split across days (R one day,
python another). Git and shell combined? OR SQL ? Can
anyone help guide me through the logistics of deciding the best
approach for this workshop once the survey results are in?<br>
<br>
Thank you in advance!!<br>
leah<br>
<br>
Leah A. Wasser, Ph.D.<br>
Remote Sensing Ecologist<br>
Senior Science Educator - Universities<br>
National Ecological Observatory Network (NEON)<br>
Boulder, Colorado<br>
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If you're working or interested in genomics or assessment, we hope<br>
you'll consider applying for our upcoming Data Carpentry Genomics and<br>
Assessment hackathon. We?re very excited about this event and the<br>
opportunity to develop lessons targeting genomics researchers and build<br>
assessment in to the curriculum. Travel support is available. Please<br>
apply to participate!<br>
<br>
Dates: March 23-25, 2015<br>
Location: Cold Spring Harbor Labs, NY<br>
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It's a short application and the deadline is this Friday, January 30th.<br>
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If you have any questions about the event, please let me know!<br>
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